I no longer trust Firefox.

[KisanoWasTaken]

I stumbled upon this while trying to figure out how to properly web surf and I’m glad I did:

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/mozilla.html

TL;DR: Mozilla is a lie, spying on you and working with the so called privacy breachers they claim to work against.

also, can anyone suggest any better browsers?

[rejectconvenience]

I'm going to do a much deeper dive into this, but thanks for sharing! I think there are some thing that I agree and disagree with, and I want to better explore all these points to get a more rounded opinion on all of this.

[Crazyroostereye]

There are many Alternatives to Firefox, Like librewolf which is hardent Firefox. Meaning it has Customizations and Settings which ensure a higher amount of Privacy. And Brave a Chromium based browser with many Privacy feature build in.
There also many Guide's to hardent your Installation of Firefox, if you may choose that over a new Browser.

In general, I don't have major Knowledge on everything in the Article, but one thing I can talk on is his talking about the Removing of Features. He forgets to mention the side of the Devs. This is an Open Source Project, which has to have Developer working and Maintaining Features. If a Feature Is deemed by Mozilla to be not worth it for them to continue to support and no Volunteer appears to want to support the Feature either. The Feature dies. A short example he mentions is the PulseAudio Requirement over the ALSA support. Yes the code is still there, but there is nobody working on the continued support on the ALSA system, let alone a major amount of People who use Firefox in an ALSA only environment for the Company Backed Maintainers to care. So they put their weight on the Newer System to first have maintainers for it, but also to Develop new Features that weren't Possible with ALSA.

Another Point in the Article he mentions is XUL Deprecation, where he by his own addmition, says it was hard to find any Info on the Subject that isn't Mozilla's propaganda.
Which tells me personally that It wasn't a major Issue, where Nobody in the Project deemed the System to be valued enough to Continue Supporting it and only a few got annoyed by it but didn't step up to maintain it.

What I criticize about the Article is, It talks a lot about the Removing the Features, but never about reasoning why they did. He frames it as if it was always a malicious and unnecessary one.

In general Mozilla isnt Perfect, far from it. But its is better then the others.

[Stefen_Maxwell]

I stumbled upon this while trying to figure out how to properly web surf and I’m glad I did:

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/mozilla.html

TL;DR: Mozilla is a lie, spying on you and working with the so called privacy breachers they claim to work against.

also, can anyone suggest any better browsers?

This is an article from a politically charged person. This article is full of misinformation. Mozilla isn't perfect, I will grant that. However, just to take a quote out from this article:

Another censorious thing they've done one time is releasing a version (archive) (MozArchive) of Firefox entirely to remove Russian search engines. Mozilla is fully on board with the West's sucking of Zelensky's private parts and supporting his ongoing robbery of Europe and USA (archive) (MozArchive) and sacrifice of most of Ukraine's male populace.

This is just more right wing propaganda taken from whatever right wing media this guy consumes.

Just some evidence to how this article is full of misinformation. The entire section where this person talks about how firefox is "Cucking to Manifest V3". Manifest V2 still works in firefox and appears to continue to work into the foreseeable future. Ublock orgin still works perfectly fine for me. I have honestly no idea what this person is on about.

The article this person posted on the corona virus continues with this misinformation and right wing influences. Personally, I feel this article goes against @rejectconvenience decision to not have political posts on this site. However, to answer the second question, the ladybird browser might become a good alternative when it finally comes out.

[rejectconvenience]

Yeah I just spent a little bit reading this, and I agree @Stefen_Maxwell that this is for sure leaning down a rabbit hole that I don't really want on this forum. A lot of the language used in here is just fear mongering and I don't vibe with that at all. There is lots of room to be critical of Mozilla (cough cough Mozilla Monitor) but we gotta make sure we're working with information that's based in reality. See my most recent video if you need some guidance on how to set those boundaries. It's really easy to fall into traps of fear, that's kind of the point of these sorts of articles.

I'll leave the post up for now as a guide for those who want to see what some of the extremes can look like when talking about internet security and privacy. I do think it's important to be able to read posts like these, as it can be a great learning tool to help communicate with people who fall into these traps. All I ask is that replies moving forward are respectful and chill, and just know that if anyone starts talking about politics in any manner, I will ban them without hesitation. I don't care what side you're on, this isn't the place for it.

[Crazyroostereye]

I noticed that in the Article too, but I was Ignoring it for the time being and focused on the Factual Issues regarding the Technical Aspects like the Removing and Deprecation of Features. It's a very opinionated Article, with typically fallacies of assuming Malicious intend over Incompetence. Basically Hanlon's razor. In most Emotionally Driven Articles that happens. We people like to have a Devil.
Like the Facebook Linux thing that happened recently. Where Facebook accidentally banned Linux Topic under the Reasoning of Cybersecurity. It can be easily explained with stupidity.
They are testing an Automated System which probably associated Linux with Cybersecurity. As Articles that talk about Cybersecurity often reference Linux to a certain extent in them. And banned people based on that System.

But still people went out and claimed Facebook is doing it maliciously.

[KisanoWasTaken]

I stumbled upon this while trying to figure out how to properly web surf and I’m glad I did:

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/mozilla.html

TL;DR: Mozilla is a lie, spying on you and working with the so called privacy breachers they claim to work against.

also, can anyone suggest any better browsers?

This is an article from a politically charged person. This article is full of misinformation. Mozilla isn't perfect, I will grant that. However, just to take a quote out from this article:

Another censorious thing they've done one time is releasing a version (archive) (MozArchive) of Firefox entirely to remove Russian search engines. Mozilla is fully on board with the West's sucking of Zelensky's private parts and supporting his ongoing robbery of Europe and USA (archive) (MozArchive) and sacrifice of most of Ukraine's male populace.

This is just more right wing propaganda taken from whatever right wing media this guy consumes.

Just some evidence to how this article is full of misinformation. The entire section where this person talks about how firefox is "Cucking to Manifest V3". Manifest V2 still works in firefox and appears to continue to work into the foreseeable future. Ublock orgin still works perfectly fine for me. I have honestly no idea what this person is on about.

The article this person posted on the corona virus continues with this misinformation and right wing influences. Personally, I feel this article goes against @rejectconvenience decision to not have political posts on this site. However, to answer the second question, the ladybird browser might become a good alternative when it finally comes out.

oof, sorry about that. didn’t realise on time. not my intention to politicise this, since i already know how terribly politicising everything can get.

I’ll read further into topics like this next time.

[Kolev]

Yeah, relying on browsers to interact with services is a dangerous thing. We need to start making native apps to use services that can't be handled in simple browsers like Links. Web Outside Of Browsers, though its software uses immature names, may be a good starting point.

[Crazyroostereye]

An Interesting thing relating to Firefox that is actually weird, is that they recently, so Yesterday, release a Terms of Use with this clause:

You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

In my Understanding this gives them Permission to use anything you put into Firefox. Any Photo you upload even to a Private Cloud Service, like Google Drive. You will give Firefox full Rights to it. While on Technical Aspect they don't collect everything you Upload and Send it back. It is a very off-putting Segment in their Terms of Use.

They did add a clarification in their Announcement Post, that still is phrased in a specific way that doesn't discredit my concerns.

UPDATE: We’ve seen a little confusion about the language regarding licenses, so we want to clear that up. We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice.

This is a very Concerning Term to have. And needs to be criticized and Known by People.
This is the Browser Advertises itself as the Privacy Preserving Alternative Google/Chrome.

Also New Suggestion for the Privacy Policy Streams: Firefox

[BlueChinchompa]

Good thing I recently switched over to Librewolf. Looks like FireFox is going to stay cooked.